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Mar 30, 2021 11:10
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Dutch term

bok

Dutch to English Tech/Engineering Mechanics / Mech Engineering farming equipment — wheels and rims
I have a long list of farming equipment items up for auction.

One section is "Diverse Velgen". Included under this are the following details:

- list of sizes
- "2 wagenwielen" (I assume from elsewhere in the document that this refers to a feed wagon or similar)
- "incl. 2x bok"

Sorry I can't provide much context. Any help appreciated!
Proposed translations (English)
4 headstock
References
refs

Discussion

Michael Beijer Apr 5, 2021:
aha I see what you mean. Racks indeed.
Ruth Tanner (asker) Apr 5, 2021:
@Michael I think just "2x rack" would be accurate, since the source text wasn't very descriptive. Here are some images that give a general idea of what these "bokken" look like:

https://tier-rack.com/applications/tire-racks/truck-tire-rac...
Barend van Zadelhoff Apr 3, 2021:
That seems to me to be a perceptive conclusion, Ruth. I am sure they are:

--> could possibly be described as “bokken”, as far as I can tell, are simply the storage racks that the wheel rims are sitting on.

Good luck!
Michael Beijer Apr 3, 2021:
ha ha can't see your images of course, but might something like this still work?

2x axel stand
2x support stand
2x stand
Ruth Tanner (asker) Apr 3, 2021:
After all that ... I’ve now viewed the images, and the only items that could possibly be described as “bokken”, as far as I can tell, are simply the storage racks that the wheel rims are sitting on. Not as technical as I had thought this might be. :)

I’m sorry not to be able to award points in this case. The input here has all been part of the process towards a solution, so thanks very much for your help, Michael and Barend!
Michael Beijer Apr 2, 2021:
Thanks! :-)
Ruth Tanner (asker) Apr 2, 2021:
Thanks to you both for all the help and references I've asked the client whether any images are available, but I'm not very expectant at this stage. I hope to come back to this next week.
Barend van Zadelhoff Mar 31, 2021:
@ Michael I never seem to receive these D-box messages from you.
Not sure whether I am right.
It could be an option.

By the way, if you look at these feed wagons: when they are not coupled to a tractor, they are supported by a 'bok'.

https://tinyurl.com/3sj8uans

Not that it proves anything.
Michael Beijer Mar 31, 2021:
Aha Yes, I think you might be right!

in that case, maybe something along the lines of:

axel stand, support stand, stand

see e.g. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Silverline-Tools-676260-Folding-Sta...

‘Silverline Tools 676260 Folding Axle Stand Set, Blue
• Provides additional support on vehicles raised off their wheels
• Maximum capacity per stand: 2000kg (must be used in pairs)’
Barend van Zadelhoff Mar 31, 2021:
If you remove the 'wagenwielen' you need a '(steun)bok' or two in order to support the 'wagen' until the wheels are put back in place again.

:-)

For example https://tinyurl.com/2damrwk6

By the way you have (steun)bokken in all shapes and sizes, as you can see in my earlier link.
Michael Beijer Mar 30, 2021:
@Barend: From Ruth's context (which does not relate to "old fashioned" equipment, but indeed relatively modern stuff), and extra context given in the d.box ("a long list of farming equipment" … "I assume from elsewhere in the document that this refers to a feed wagon or similar" … "various other pieces of equipment — mostly from the 2000s, although there is also a tractor dating back to 1987."), I made the educated guess that what is being referred to here is a headstock/linkage type thing (the attachment that allows e.g. a feed wagon to be connected to the back of a tractor), rather than the other options (also shown in my too many refs/screenshots).

Of course, we don't exactly have much context to go on so I may be wrong.
Barend van Zadelhoff Mar 30, 2021:
This is, 'bok' in the sense of 'steunbok'

Think of these, and in your case it may be an old fashioned version of these:

https://tinyurl.com/4sf5xbst
Barend van Zadelhoff Mar 30, 2021:
a 'bok' may be a device used to support things.

These may be relevant in this context as well:

bok: hout met drie poten dat men onder een kar zet om die te onderschragen

bok: schuine balk, van voren op twee paaltjes, van achteren op twee kortere rustend, waarop de hoef van een paard of ezel steunt bij het beslaan
Michael Beijer Mar 30, 2021:
hmm I suspect it is the ‘headstock’, but not 100% sure yet.

(see my ref below: ‘BOK II’ in Huitenga’s ‘Nederlands-Engels Supplement voor Landbouw- en Milieuwetenschappen’)
Ruth Tanner (asker) Mar 30, 2021:
Hi Michael,

No, sorry! There is no indication at all for the wheels/rims. A wide range of years is given for various other pieces of equipment — mostly from the 2000s, although there is also a tractor dating back to 1987.
Michael Beijer Mar 30, 2021:
Hi Ruth! Any idea how old or new the equipment is?

Proposed translations

47 mins

headstock

See my refs!

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see e.g.:

‘Aanbieding! Trekbok driepunt hefbok trekhaak mini tractor
Gratis verzending trekbok mini tractor deze trekbok, ook wel driepuntsbok genoemd, is passend op iedere minitractor met een catego’

(https://www.marktplaats.nl/q/driepuntsbok/ )

in English, this Trekbok driepunt / driepuntsbok is a:

three point headstock
three-point attachment
three point linkage
etc.

see also:

De trekbok overwint moeiteloos elke oneffenheid in de bodem en spaart de weide en de maaier. fella.eu =

The headstock with trailing linkage overcomes every unevenness of the ground with ease and has little impact on the grassland and the mower.

(https://www.linguee.com/english-dutch/search?source=auto&que... )

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it's the headstock of the mixer/feeder wagon

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headstock (machine part) (werktuigkunde)
• bok
• aankoppelbok
• vaste kop

(https://www.wordreference.com/nlen/aankoppelbok )
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Reference comments

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Reference:

refs

Wolters’ Handwoordenboek Nederland-Engels (20e druk, 1994)

bok #6 (ve rijtuig):
• (driving) box

Jansonius, Dr. H. -- (Nieuw) Groot Nederlands-Engels woordenboek voor studie en practijk (Numij, 1972)(Deel III)

bok (v. rijtuig):
• box (seat)
• coach box
• driver’s seat

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Huitenga, T.: Nederlands-Engels Supplement voor Landbouw- en Milieuwetenschappen (Numij, 1996).

BOK I,
(mnl. geit) billy/ goat/, male goat, buck;
gecastreerde —, wether;
(reebok, etc.) buck.

BOK II,
(v. ploeg, eg, cultivator) headstock; (???)
(schraag; zaagbok) trestle; saw horse;
(v. rijtuig) box, driver’s seat;
(vuurbok, meestal mv) fire dog(s).

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De Haventolk (P. Versnel, 1984):



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Dictionary of Building and Civil Engineering (EN-DE-FR-NL-RU)(Kluwer, 1985):



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Technisch Engels Woordenboek (Jansonius, 1976):



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PS: the last screenshot was actually from: Jansonius’ ‘(Nieuw) Groot Nederlands-Engels woordenboek voor studie en practijk’!

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Technisch Engels Woordenboek (Jansonius, 1976):



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Wolters’ Handwoordenboek Nederland-Engels (20e druk, 1994):



(PS: ignore the pink highlighting in the previous screenshot; that was from a past job before I scanned the dictionary)

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ha ha, and ignore all the bold text. forgot the closing tag
Peer comments on this reference comment:
neutral philgoddard : It's good that you've done so much research, but most of your references seem to be irrelevant, and I'm confused. I looked up headstock, but I'm none the wiser as to its meaning.
2 hrs
yeah, got carried away with the screenshots. wanted to show all the potentially relevant entries. as far as I understand it, a 'headstock' is the attachment/thing that allows e.g. a feed wagon to be connected to the back of a tractor. also called: linkage
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