Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Dutch term or phrase:
ervaringsdeskundige
English translation:
speak from experience
Added to glossary by
adremco
Aug 15, 2010 15:33
13 yrs ago
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Dutch term
ervaringsdeskundige
Dutch to English
Medical
Advertising / Public Relations
Ik weet dat het woord al op Proz staat, maar dat is niet "mijn" context. Ik zoek ervaringsdeskundige in de zin van iemand die het zelf heeft meegemaakt. In dit geval een ziekte. Hieronder de zin (het gaat over symptoomreclame, zie een eerdere vraag van mij):
Patiëntenorganisaties worden ingezet bij marketingcampagnes. Ze spreken in de media, leveren ervaringsdeskundigen en organiseren informatiebijeenkomsten
Patiëntenorganisaties worden ingezet bij marketingcampagnes. Ze spreken in de media, leveren ervaringsdeskundigen en organiseren informatiebijeenkomsten
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | speak from experience |
Lianne van de Ven
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| 4 +2 | "patient-experts" |
Willemina Hagenauw
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| 4 +1 | expert by experience |
sindy cremer
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| 3 +1 | testimonial |
Annabel Rautenbach
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References
| Patient experts or expert patients? |
copheoske
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Proposed translations
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6 mins
Lianne van de Ven
United States
United States
Native in Dutch
United States
Experienced, reliable, detail-oriented
Native in: Dutch 
Works in: English to Dutch, Dutch to English
Related KudoZ points
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16
Selected
speak from experience
I don't think there is one word. You need to rephrase it as 'patients speak from experience'. See google.
Ex:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2010-03-25-announcers1_N.htm
Ex:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2010-03-25-announcers1_N.htm
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
copheoske
: perhaps it could better be phrased as "patient experiences"?
3 hrs
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| agree |
kamilw
: I'd say "patients with first-hand experience".
http://kemperconnect.com/media/images/pdf/Kemper_Connect_SHS...
http://www.searo.who.int/LinkFiles/TB_Day_Kit_whoelsecanhelp...
...and many more examples in the web.
6 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "After serious doubt between 'patient testimonals' and 'patients with first-hand experience', I've decided to go for the latter option. Companies would indeed be using patients delivering testimonials that ultimately contribute to the sale of their product, so the fact that 'patient testimonials' have a positive, endorsing connotation shouldn't be a problem - if a medicine would be mentioned that they could endorse. 'I cured my fungal nails with be-gone-fungal-nails in two weeks!' But because this is symptom advertising and pharmaceuticals often aren't mentioned, I think it concerns mostly sob stories that make viewers go to their doctor and see if they might have that disease. So I went for 'patients with first-hand experience'. Thanks, Lianne and everyone else! "
+1
6 mins
Annabel Rautenbach
Native in English
For fast, accurate translations
Native in: Afrikaans , English 
Works in: Dutch to English, Afrikaans to English, English to Afrikaans
testimonial
in this context it seems fitting that they gave testimony about their experiences
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Note added at 16 mins (2010-08-15 15:49:52 GMT)
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Yes adremco, this seems fitting here...
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Note added at 16 mins (2010-08-15 15:49:52 GMT)
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Yes adremco, this seems fitting here...
Note from asker:
| How about ".., provide patient testimonials and organise information sessions." Seems to fit nicely here. |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Lianne van de Ven
1 min
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Thanks
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| agree |
Laura Morwood
1 hr
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| disagree |
Willemina Hagenauw
: I am not so certain testimonial is the right word here, as it is very much used in a context of endorsing or advertising a certain product. See Google!
2 hrs
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| disagree |
copheoske
: I agree with Willemina - testimonial is always positive, endorsing, recommending, admiring, etc.
3 hrs
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| agree |
Barend van Zadelhoff
: Ik zou deze optie niet zo maar af willen keuren, het gaat vast alleen om de succesverhalen: Recently, companies appear to be using more patient testimonials in their DTC advertising. I am thinking in particular of ..
4 hrs
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| neutral |
Kitty Brussaard
: I agree with Willemina. Also, '(they) provide patient testimonials' is not the same thing as '(ze) leveren ervaringsdeskundigen'. I would prefer '(they) provide patient experts' or something similar.
6 hrs
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+2
3 hrs
Willemina Hagenauw
Native in Dutch
Specializes in field
30+ years experience - accurate and fast
Native in: Dutch
Works in: English to Dutch, Dutch to English, Flemish to English
"patient-experts"
Volgens mij kun je hier gewoon over patient-experts praten, omdat het gaat om patienten die deskundig zijn op het gebied van hun kwaal. Als je het googled kom je voldoende voorbeelden tegen.
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Kitty Brussaard
: Inderdaad, maar dan wel gewoon geschreven als 'patient experts' :-)
3 hrs
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| agree |
Lianne van de Ven
: see discussion entry
4 days
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1 day 6 hrs
sindy cremer
Native in Dutch
Specializes in field
You have my word on it
Native in: Dutch
Works in: English to Dutch, Dutch, Flemish to Dutch
expert by experience
widely used in British (health) care system.
http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm/v...
"John Thomas’s account of his illness
in his ‘Narrative’ reinforces the
importance of a patient helping
themselves and being given the time to
recover. Self-help and understanding were
critical in this case. John Thomas took
the view that, as the patient knows most
about his mental health, his views should
not be discounted nor his behaviour
penalised by restraint.
.....
John Thomas had become an expert
by experience."
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http://bjsw.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/39/6/1101
- basically the entire passage about "experts by experience".
an excerpt:
"‘Experts by experience’
‘Experts by experience’ is an important reclassification of the social worker–service user relationship, as it, unlike ‘service user’, ‘client’, ‘consumer’ or ‘customer’ before it, makes a claim for a specialist knowledge base rooted in an individual's experience of using services."
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http://www.cqc.org.uk/aboutcqc/howwedoit/involvingpeoplewhou...
"Our experts by experience are people of all ages, with different impairments, from diverse cultural backgrounds who have used a range of social care services."
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Note added at 5 days (2010-08-20 22:23:03 GMT) Post-grading
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post grading references
http://www.kuleuven.be/onderzoek/onderzoeksdatabank/project/... :
“Een ervaringsdeskundige in armoede is een persoon die armoede heeft ervaren, deze ervaring heeft verruimd en via een opleiding houdingen, vaardigheden en methoden kreeg aangereikt om de verruimde armoede-ervaring deskundig aan te wenden in één of meerdere sectoren van de armoedebestrijding.” (Vlaams decreet Armoedebestrijding 2003)"
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http://www.ness.bbk.ac.uk/implementation/documents/1385.pdf
(Empowering Parents in Sure Start Local
Programmes)
"Self help based on a shared adversity can provide a basis for challenging inappropriate or high-handed professional practice and knowledge. Being an ‘expert-by-experience’ is important and can turn groups into both receivers and distributors of information as well as the providers of expertise and new knowledge (Williams, 2004b)."
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http://www.themissinglinkeurope.eu/?page_id=21
ENGAGING EXPERTS BY EXPERIENCE. The Missing Link,. Het verhogen van de sociale inclusie door de inschakeling van ervaringsdeskundigen ...
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http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=20&ved=0CG8QFjAT...
Appointment of ex-addicts as Expert By Experience. Bouman GGZ, 2007 ... Experience" (in Dutch: ervaringsdeskundigen) are former addicts who have been ...
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(emphasis added)
http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm/v...
"John Thomas’s account of his illness
in his ‘Narrative’ reinforces the
importance of a patient helping
themselves and being given the time to
recover. Self-help and understanding were
critical in this case. John Thomas took
the view that, as the patient knows most
about his mental health, his views should
not be discounted nor his behaviour
penalised by restraint.
.....
John Thomas had become an expert
by experience."
--------------------------
http://bjsw.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/39/6/1101
- basically the entire passage about "experts by experience".
an excerpt:
"‘Experts by experience’
‘Experts by experience’ is an important reclassification of the social worker–service user relationship, as it, unlike ‘service user’, ‘client’, ‘consumer’ or ‘customer’ before it, makes a claim for a specialist knowledge base rooted in an individual's experience of using services."
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http://www.cqc.org.uk/aboutcqc/howwedoit/involvingpeoplewhou...
"Our experts by experience are people of all ages, with different impairments, from diverse cultural backgrounds who have used a range of social care services."
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Note added at 5 days (2010-08-20 22:23:03 GMT) Post-grading
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post grading references
http://www.kuleuven.be/onderzoek/onderzoeksdatabank/project/... :
“Een ervaringsdeskundige in armoede is een persoon die armoede heeft ervaren, deze ervaring heeft verruimd en via een opleiding houdingen, vaardigheden en methoden kreeg aangereikt om de verruimde armoede-ervaring deskundig aan te wenden in één of meerdere sectoren van de armoedebestrijding.” (Vlaams decreet Armoedebestrijding 2003)"
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http://www.ness.bbk.ac.uk/implementation/documents/1385.pdf
(Empowering Parents in Sure Start Local
Programmes)
"Self help based on a shared adversity can provide a basis for challenging inappropriate or high-handed professional practice and knowledge. Being an ‘expert-by-experience’ is important and can turn groups into both receivers and distributors of information as well as the providers of expertise and new knowledge (Williams, 2004b)."
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http://www.themissinglinkeurope.eu/?page_id=21
ENGAGING EXPERTS BY EXPERIENCE. The Missing Link,. Het verhogen van de sociale inclusie door de inschakeling van ervaringsdeskundigen ...
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http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=20&ved=0CG8QFjAT...
Appointment of ex-addicts as Expert By Experience. Bouman GGZ, 2007 ... Experience" (in Dutch: ervaringsdeskundigen) are former addicts who have been ...
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(emphasis added)
Reference comments
1 day 4 mins
Reference:
Patient experts or expert patients?
It appears that the term patient expert is used to refer to a person who is an expert on (certain) matters relating to patients but is not necessarily a patient. The role of the patient expert is to provide information.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1963961/pdf/1688...
The term expert patient, on the other hand, usually refers to a person with a chronic illness who takes control over his/her own condition of health and is, more often than not, associated with a formal programme. The function (or role) of the expert patient is personal.
http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Expert-Patients.htm
No doubt some crossover between these terms will be encountered on "the interwebs".
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1963961/pdf/1688...
The term expert patient, on the other hand, usually refers to a person with a chronic illness who takes control over his/her own condition of health and is, more often than not, associated with a formal programme. The function (or role) of the expert patient is personal.
http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Expert-Patients.htm
No doubt some crossover between these terms will be encountered on "the interwebs".
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